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First thing out of the way, as usual I'm not going to muck around with sciencey things, but concentrate on use as someone would use this. And as the plans for the day have changed, I've a morning to play.
What is it?
A TTL flash...
How much is it?
Currently about £60
Spec (from the user manual)
- Coverage: 18 - 180mm
- Flash Mode :
- iTTL/eTTL
- M
- Flash Exposure Bracketing
- Slave, S1/S1
- Repeating
- Flash Control: 1/1 - 1/128 in steps of 0.3ev
- Colour Temp: 5500k
- GN: 58/ISO 100 (Amazon and distributor specs put this at 56)
- Wireless (optical) distance : Indoor 20 - 30m / Outdoor 10 - 15m
- Head adjustment : -7 - 90 vertical / -90 - 180 horizontal
- Overtemp Protection : Yes
- External Power Input : Yes (6vDC)
- Recycle: 2.9seconds.
- Accessories: Pouch, X-shoe/stand, diffusor
The flash, first impressions smacks about the same size as the Nikon SB900/910 with a fairly robust feel, but close inspection will show that it's not the best polycarb shell and wouldn't stand up to serious abuse if you were to start smacking it on to things... And given the size, if it was on the camera, that could easily be done. And I wouldn't want too much pressure on the battery bay door as it seems a bit lacking in robustness.
Supplied in the box are the flash unit in a small pouch, an X shoe tripod mount/stand, head diffuser and a manual.
As with anything, the first thing with one of these would be stick batteries in and go for a play but... As the nature of this flash is hybrid ETTL/ITTL (has pin outs for both platforms, more later) and the functionality this has (usual flash stuff, like manual, multi-high speed) as well as optical slave through CLS/Canon Varient or just light detection it would pay to sit down and read the manual. This I found with the switching between manual and automatic head zooming!
And this is where one of the big tells is... The manual. It is very badly translated from Chinese and some of the texts will leave anyone who isn't 100% au fait with English thinking 'What the hell?'... It looks though it was translated by someone saying things down the phone and getting a person on the other end who only spoke very basic English to write what they were saying down. And... The pictorial structures of the flash in the manual relate to an earlier/later (don't know which) model of this unit as there are some significant differences to the images as to the flash itself.
In use.
Been wandering round the apartment and the office this morning with it both on the D700 and D300, as well as triggers, remote CLS, etc...
In terms of TTL, it works, it does the job but in terms of output it seems a bit too sharp on the flash. But as I said in the quick first impression I've never met a flash that isn't, and each do require some fine tuning (as there's a lot more at play than just a touch of two pins)... The unit I've got requires about - 2/3rds stop on it or the diffusor putting on, which is about the same as the Nissin 866 I've got currently sat next to it as I'm grafting a new hotshoe on to that. The Nissin had a plastic shoe, and it's sheared, but this has a metal shoe so would probably take a lot more in terms of abuse at hotshoe point.
Manual mode, to be expected, does it's thing. In terms of power output it's not much different, if any to a Yongnuo 560, as both are in the same power bracket.
Flash exposure bracketing (yes, it will flash exposure bracket) is a bit of an interesting thing on a flash at this point. It can be set to -/N/+ or N/-/+ stepping and up to three stops of value the difference across the three shots. Interesting, don't know how useable or needed this would be, but it is probably very useful to some and independent of whether the camera has a flash bracket mode.
Wireless modes, the optical triggering works quite well, up to about 15m, but this would decrease if there was brighter light or outdoors. One thing I like about it is that it will output the settings of the flash commander on to the rear LCD panel after it's picked up a signal so they are there at a glance. So if you pop off one at 1/32, it will show that.
It will also work with the ignore preflashes as well, and in testing it around this AM, and last night, it doesn't require line of sight but can be hidden behind things.
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Use with triggers. Now this is the first major bum I've found with this. I've not managed to use it on a 622 set, as I don't use triggers that much and definitely don't use TTL that much so they're a bit not too important on the shopping list, but I'm going to try and borrow some soon.
Sticking it on a set of YN603 presents an issue. Regardless of what the flash is set to, just bunging it on will present a rather **** problem, it won't fire. This had me muttering at first, but this morning in the cold light of day and caffeine, here's why...
Each YN603 regardless of whether it's a Canon or a Nikon flavour has a Nikon pin out on the top shoe (hence why it's possible to graft a TTL passthrough on to a Nikon 603 on camera, done that, not hard, very fiddly). The difference is the size of the hotshoe studs. On the YN603 they are about 1/4mm bigger than on top of the Nikon. I know, that's not a lot of in terms of tolerance... But given that the flash unit is bi-polar and has pin out arrangements for both Canon and Nikon flash studs, it's trapping both on the ttl studs on the YN. Then the flash gets confused and doesn't fire off.
The solution to that is either a bit of electricians tape pushing the TTL pins out the way or a bit of card/plastic (old bank card thickness) placed at the front of the hotshoe as a shim. Then it works. Not, in my opinion a friendly solution and a bit of a faff.
Adjusting things on the flash. Most of the adjustments are fairly straight forward after a look through the manual, but the custom options are done in a way that they would mirror (perhaps work) on the custom settings on a Canon body, and they do need some manual time because they don't have reference to what they are within the custom menu.
In firing off a load, the colour temp seems to be (by eye) slightly cooler than daylight, somewhere around the 5200k - 5500k mark, and the manual claims it's 5500k but if mixed in with a couple more lamps, or on it's own with the white balance set I don't think it'd be noticeable.
There doesn't seem to be that much colour drift either when rattling off bursts and the capacitor drains, but I'll have to look in to this more later down the line.
Summing Up.
When I ordered this unit, I had no misgivings about what I was letting myself in for as there's a 14 day returns policy, and also the price I paid if I'd not got a VAT deductible receipt I'd have had to give some of that to the tax man
As it is, it does show it has been built to a budget, and yes, it could do with being marque specific as the bi-polar nature does cause issues with things like triggers (single pins wouldn't be a problem it's just the things like the 603 you have to watch for).
With it, even though I've only had a few hours play, it's not a bad little unit; definitely not a professional level unit and would get killed in little to no time out in the heavy of the day job... But as a secondary flash it's not too bad, though if you have already invested in another system, there wouldn't be any reason to be looking at this.
Would I recommend it? Maybe, maybe not... All depends what you would want out of it. If you are on a bit of a shoestring, and want a fully featured flash that can do things 'magically' then yeah, I probably would as for sixty quid it's a lot of spec and fairly useable for the money and at the price in the local market it would be 8 of these to buying 1 SB910 from stock.
If it was for part of a bigger system, then maybe not, as the issues with the pin arrangement may annoy some if they had to fix it on and off with a bit of 'field engineering', but to me this isn't that big a problem as I've already tooled a blanking plate to trap under the shoe so contacts aren't made with the secondary terminals.
Final words.
It's cheap, it's useable, it's a bit bloated in what it can do (version specific would be nice), but it fits in to where it sits in the price pyramid nicely.
Am I keeping it?
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Yes, as not only is it another manual flash for sticking somewhere, it also would make a nice spare for if I'm showing someone a bit about on camera flash modes above just the standard pop up (and being bi-polar, it doesn't matter what it's sat on).
Overall Score : 3.5/5
Not happy just be first with an inexpensive Bare Bulb Speedlight, Triopo have done it again, this time with the first inexpensive Remote Manual Speedlite with 2.4GHz radio triggers built in!
The TR-850EX are basic manual flash units, but with 2.4GHz radio master and slave units built in. So at this point one flash must be used on camera, to fire and control the power levels of up to 3 groups of remote TR-850EX flashes. Though the first Ebay listings (around $70 each) appear to indicate a separate transmitter unit is also coming.
The YongNuo YN-560 III was first with a manual radio receiver built in, and its still hopeful that will have remote power levels enabled with a future transmitter, but Triopo are first with a functioning remote manual system available now!
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The TR-850EX have all the basics you need in a manual flash, full manual power control from 1/128th to 1/1 with 1/3rd stop fine adjustments. A HV external battery port, and 24 – 180mm zoom.
Power is stated as GN56, but that is at the longer 180mm zoom length, so in fact its a little down on the YN-560 III etc (GN58 @ 105MM). Recycle around 2.9 seconds at full power. Manual S1, S2 and Multi modes.
Radio trigger range is up to 100m meteres.
HV external battery port is the Nikon Style socket.
The buttons look similar to the early YongNuo flashes, which shows Triopo may have some maturing to do before they match the refinement level of the current YongNuo flashes.
Battery compartment is the typical Nikon style.
And a basic PC sync port.
Its hard to know exactly what the master interface would be like to operate at this point. Though most people interested in a remote manual speedlite system will be waiting for the smaller transmitter unit anyway, so that will be the important interface.
Specs
Insulated gate bipolar transistor (IGBT) |
56 meters (ISO 100, 180MM) |
-7-90 degree |
0-360 degree |
1/128~1/1 step length is 0.3EV, Total 22 fine-tuning stalls |
About 3 seconds (using AA alkaline cell) |
Hot shoe, PC mount, external charge mount |
5500K |
18~180mm,Manual Zoom,Swinging/Tilting flash head(bounce flash) |
5500K |
1/200 seconds-1/20000 seconds |
4pcs AA alkaline cell or AA nickel-hydrogen (NI-MH)battery |
100-1500 times(using AA alkaline cell) |
100 metres |
PC synchronous, sniff mode, over temperature protection |
200x75x57mm |
375g |
Triopo will also have a TR-860EX full TTL and HSS capable flash available soon as well, which will also be compatible with the TR-850EX radio system.
Its doubtful the TR-850EX or TR-860EX will be compatible with any other radio system though, like the RF-602 or YN-560 III flash.
Although Triopo are forging ahead and leading with some innovation, their build quality and standard appears not to be up to that of YongNuo etc, and the price of these flash units reflect that. Quite a number of people purchased the Triopo TR-120 bare bulb flash recently and results have been very mixed with regards to build quality. You may want to wait and see what YongNuo have to offer first as the YN-560 III are well tried and tested.
The first inexpensive remote manual speedlights are finally here now though, many strobist’s have been asking for these for years, so this is quite a milestone. And who would have thought it would have come from Triopo, a company most people had not heard of until last week!
The Triopo TR-850EX have started listing Ebay from $65.
But its probably a very good ideal to hold out for a local seller on Amazon in case a fast exchange is needed.
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If you don’t need the remote control, but want the built in radio receiver the YN-560 III are a great option.
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For HSS and Remote Manual or TTL, the YN-622 triggers and a flash like the YN-568EX are the next option up.
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